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Post by puroland on Apr 21, 2003 21:17:08 GMT -5
Thanks ppl! really touch to see so many helps!!! hehehe... pai sei to come in so late cos i was like a nanny for the past one day!!!! have to wake up at nite the feed the babies. i was really at lost too in the first place, but due to the nature of my doe i am worried that she will attack the young cos i have always ganna bitten by her when i carry her even if she is not pregnet! Some updates here, i have check with a experience breeder, he used to breed rabbit last time, quite old man a friend of my father. He say some doe will take care of their young while some will not, and he even ganna bitten a part of flesh off b4 when he encounter a fierce doe. He would recommend me to hand feed the young for like a week or less until the babies are stable cos these 10 days is the crucial period. they will die if the babies are not will taken care of. According to his recommendation 1 feed can last the babies 4 hrs and each time check to see if the stomach is round and most of the time the babies will stop sucking and sleep when they are full. Meanwhile i am feeding the doe with a grass known as the rabbit grass according to the elder. It is said that this type of grass will make the mummy strong and help produce milk. I also feed this grass to them when they are young. I am thinking of wat else of supplement can i give to the doe to help her to strong and help produce milk...cos according to the experienced friend, he say the mother milk is the best without the mummy milk the babies will not survive. Really thanks for the help that puppy and daniel has given! I have taken some pict of the babies at photos.yahoo.com/bc/puroland/ under babies bunnies
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Post by puppy on Apr 21, 2003 21:59:37 GMT -5
like what pajero suggested, can give mama bun alfalfa hay... cant think of anything else. what ur father's friend said is true... the 10 days is very crucial. 'cause usually eyes will open and fur will grow and can walk here and there, around that time. just be careful... as for having a fierce doe bite off part of his flesh... if u know how to calm the doe down b4 touching or even putting hand in cage, she wont bite 1, will just smell. must reassure her, calm her down, gain her trust,... then she wont bite. usually those does who bite are those who are used to human touch. but some does are really temperamental lor. i'm sure showing more love and care for mama bun will help 1. ALSO be careful not to give the babies slippery flooring. if not, they might have splayed legs / hands. their bones are still very soft, still not very well formed yet. make sure they are always on a unsmooth surface. puppy's wife also rather aggressive when she's not pregnant. she abandoned her babies during first few days. but she still live with babies. when they open eyes and fur start to grow, she's a responsible mama bun liao. so dun worry so much. now just hope ur mama bun is able to accept her babies when u put her back into her cage. erm... should be nothing liao... PS. all the babies will turn out black... dun know more like papa or mama bun...
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Post by puroland on Apr 22, 2003 1:55:00 GMT -5
These 3 bunnies should be more like the mama cos the mama is greyish in colour. The part which u mentioned abt spread legs and hands... my buck has spread legs and hands i wonder if it is because when he is young he is being placed on smooth surface Now the babies are put in a nesting and they are placed on towel during feeding. i will let the mama bun see and smell her babies after feeding...so far she is doing good except her attention span is short she would see and smell her young a few second then she would try to run home... puppy: i saw ur im, i am feeding the rabbit grass cum the timothy hay. i also scare they stick to rabbit grass that's why i give a mix. I rem that you mentioned that ur boyfriend handfeed the babies when puppy's wife din take care of the young, then how u intro the babies back to the mummy? I am scare that she will reject the baby that's why i let her smell them whenever after feeding (of course this is done with the mama hands lock i scare she craw on them). The babies are also place in a basket next to her cage so that she can smell and sense their presense.
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Post by puroland on Apr 22, 2003 2:00:42 GMT -5
One more thing i forget to ask we are all so conern over mama bunny that i forget abt papa bunny... now i let him stay in a cage himself to prevent him from disturbing the mama bunny... He is very unhappy at first he would bite the toilet flip over all food container. the reason why i dun let him come close to the mama is that he keep mounting on her when he sees her... i wonder why? is it beause the mama bunnies has a after birth smell that turn him on? As i intend to let the mama stay with the young and take care of them when they are able to walk, is it advisable to let papa stay in as well? but i scare he mount on his daughter and stressed her out. Now papa bunny is very unhappy cos cannot see his wife and mount on her... whenever the door is open he will try to go to his wife cage and mount on her and the mama will growl in anger. I scare she later too stress to produce milk. now bo pian have to wei qu the papa bun
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Post by puppy on Apr 22, 2003 3:21:25 GMT -5
These 3 bunnies should be more like the mama cos the mama is greyish in colour. The part which u mentioned abt spread legs and hands... my buck has spread legs and hands i wonder if it is because when he is young he is being placed on smooth surface Now the babies are put in a nesting and they are placed on towel during feeding. i will let the mama bun see and smell her babies after feeding...so far she is doing good except her attention span is short she would see and smell her young a few second then she would try to run home... puppy: i saw ur im, i am feeding the rabbit grass cum the timothy hay. i also scare they stick to rabbit grass that's why i give a mix. I rem that you mentioned that ur boyfriend handfeed the babies when puppy's wife din take care of the young, then how u intro the babies back to the mummy? I am scare that she will reject the baby that's why i let her smell them whenever after feeding (of course this is done with the mama hands lock i scare she craw on them). The babies are also place in a basket next to her cage so that she can smell and sense their presense. the babies live with the mama bun. then when it's time for feeding, my bf will put mama bun on his laps (or craddle her with 1 hand, stomach facing up) and hold 1 bb with other hand, guiding bb to mama bun's nipple. after feeding, the babies and mama bun are put back into the cage. they never leave their mama 1. in the day, we usually just see and check whether bb stomach round or not. usually the mama bun will slowly look after the bb... when bb's eyes open liao, they know where mama is. they'll slowly walk to their mama for milk when they are hungry. ur buck has splayed hands maybe 'cause he's put on smooth surface when he's young or maybe it's inheritiary. hope the bb wont inherit that if buck really inherited the splayed hands from his ancestors. just let the mama bun smell more of the bb as much as possible. at least lower chance for her to abandon bb when they are put back into her cage. good luck...
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Post by daniel on Apr 22, 2003 3:24:09 GMT -5
try not to have any other bunnies lurking outside the cage of mother and her kittens... otherwise, you will end up stressing her out further. Dun put daddy back with mommy unless u wan her to breed again, but then again, should let mommy rest for a few months before breeding again should you intend to do so.
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Post by puppy on Apr 22, 2003 3:36:02 GMT -5
One more thing i forget to ask we are all so conern over mama bunny that i forget abt papa bunny... now i let him stay in a cage himself to prevent him from disturbing the mama bunny... He is very unhappy at first he would bite the toilet flip over all food container. the reason why i dun let him come close to the mama is that he keep mounting on her when he sees her... i wonder why? is it beause the mama bunnies has a after birth smell that turn him on? As i intend to let the mama stay with the young and take care of them when they are able to walk, is it advisable to let papa stay in as well? but i scare he mount on his daughter and stressed her out. Now papa bunny is very unhappy cos cannot see his wife and mount on her... whenever the door is open he will try to go to his wife cage and mount on her and the mama will growl in anger. I scare she later too stress to produce milk. now bo pian have to wei qu the papa bun all matured bucks, when see does, will want to mount 1. even pregnant liao, still will mount. it's nature. it's VERY normal for the buck to behave this way. puppy also does that. but he has to live with it. bo bian 1. also, DO NOT put papa bun back into cage 'cause he'll start mounting every doe in the cage. and if the bbs are still young, they'll get very stressed. and like what daniel said, the mama bun must rest for a few months b4 u decide to mate her again. if u dun want to mate her anymore, they must live in separate cage. if not, u'll have to fix them. if u really want to put all together, make sure the babies are 6 months onwards (matured already). but if u put them back, u must be mentally prepared for MORE babies to come... i wouldnt recommend putting the buck back into the cage with mama bun and babies 'cause they'll start mounting each other, thus producing A LOT of babies... try to wean the bb off later, ie let them drink more mama's milk 'cause it's good for their health. maybe drink till they are 2.5-3.5 months old. mama bun might avoid then 'cause bb got teeth. just try to let them drink as much and long as possible. try to get alfalfa hay for mama bun and babies. good for them.
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Post by puroland on Apr 23, 2003 20:57:32 GMT -5
Meanwhile the buck and doe are not staying together... i do have the intention to spay the buck or spray the doe. I hear that spraying of buck is much safer than spraying of doe rite, but will still run the risk of death rite...i also dun know for the time being maybe see how the babies goes... defintely i cannot keep so many bunnies. Puppy: all ur 7 bunnies are female or male? how to see from the young? i saw that 2 of my bunnies babies has nipple like on their stomach...does that means that they are female? Meanwhile i have pict of the adorable babies here photos.yahoo.com/bc/puroland/lst?.dir=/Babies+Bunnies&.src=ph&.view=t
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Post by HighHeels on Apr 23, 2003 22:49:56 GMT -5
Wah! It's day 5 today issit?
The babies are sooooo cute! Really cute leh.. and soooo small when compared to mommy. How do u get mommy to sit still huh?
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Post by puppy on Apr 24, 2003 3:50:58 GMT -5
puroland > fixing buck is called neutering... fixing doe is called spaying... fixing buck is cheaper and easier and less painful. thus chance of survival rate is higher... but if ur bunnies are allergic to the anaesthetic, then chance of survival rate will be lowered. if u want to fix one of them, bring to dr ling. she's good in it... price of neutering is around $60. price of spaying is around $90. after fixing one of them, u need to separate the one to let him/her rest. let me know when u r going to fix them... will tell u more about fixing... probably after my exam. maybe i'll start a thread about that... if u cannot keep so many babies, maybe need to sell them away lor... or free to good homes... try not to sell to pet shops 'cause they'll not be well taken care of. i still dun know the babies' gender 'cause they still young. difficult to see... hehehehe... all bunnies (bucks and does) have nipples 1... the babies really very cute... think ur mama bun takes good care of them leh...
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Post by puroland on Apr 24, 2003 7:19:45 GMT -5
Wah! It's day 5 today issit? The babies are sooooo cute! Really cute leh.. and soooo small when compared to mommy. How do u get mommy to sit still huh? Hahah if u see carefully u will see one of my leg stepping on the legs of the mummy! :Pcos the mummy is quite violent in nature she will not allow anyone to hold her like this... that's why i have to use one leg press her legs and 1 hand to hold the head and the free hand to guide the babies to the nipples. The first day i guide the baby 1 by 1 but the mummy can't hold still that long so i feed all the 3 at one time.hahah..... Today is the 4th day liao can see the fur growing out liao... i can't wait to see them open the eyes! As u can see that the mummy is greyish and daddy is brown but all 3 of them follow the colour of the mummy... can tell very clearly that 2 of them is grey and 1 is black... but i wonder how come it only get the black colour gene... puppy: is there a chance that the colour will still varies meaning not exactly following the skin colour now? I think in time to come i would need ur advise on neturing or spraying... has any of ur bunnies went through spraying or neuturing? Meanwhile the babies are still staying away from the mummy but can tell that the mummy knows that her babies are near her (i place the babies just next to her cage). whenever b4 feeding i will place her babies on the towel and let her see as to tell her that she need to feed the babies...at first i din do that and she get very angry when i press her down the floor... now by doing so she kinda know that the babies need milk she would stay still and not struggle... but very funny is that she seems to know the babies are full.. cos after some time (when babies fall asleep after feeding) she would struggle to stand up. I would let her smell her babies after feed too.... eventhough she did not attemp to bite the babies (cos she would bite the towel to show her displeasure) but her 3 babies also ganna kick fly by her a few times... (i wonder if she is aware that the babies are near...cos she would struggle to stand up and kick her legs) there was once she kick real hard and i so worried that one of the baby leg get injured. but after checking the baby it seems to be fine cos can still crawl here and there.
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Post by puppy on Apr 24, 2003 7:56:00 GMT -5
usually babies' fur colour follow either papa or mama 1... the skin colour of the babies are black, which means they will sure have dark fur colour... u see puppy's babies hor, skin colour golden brown... so fur colour is orange... if skin colour is red red 1... fur colour is light colour (or white). kpo and powder are fixed... when they are around 5-6 months old. will start a thread about neutering and spaying after my paper tomorrow. from the way u describe hor, i think ur mama bun can look after the babies leh... she wants to protect them... usually mama bun will want to cover their babies for security. mama bun stamp their feet to show displeasure... puppy's wife also does that... no need to worry so much 1 lah...
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Post by puroland on Apr 24, 2003 21:22:05 GMT -5
hahah... ya i think she would not be so bad to bite the babies can evenever i let her smell the babies she would stand still for a while...but there are still cases where she get really violent... last nite when i was feeding she kick her leg real hard and one of the baby flew landed abt a human feet away... she got really angry esp during feeding at nite... now i have a way to pacify her, like last nite she so angry that her eyes like wanna pop out liao, growl like siao ... so i gave her yogurt (her fav food) she clam down immediately... really "tan chi" hahahah the babies are also quite naughty cos i feed them quite regularly to ensure that they are full all the time, but seems that they will bite or just suck the nipple when they are full... this make the mummy very angry... in the first few minute of feeding the mummy will lie there quietly but when the baby is full (u can see them just suck on not sucking milk) she will throw her temper by biting the towel and kicking her legs. puppy: can't wait to see ur thread on spraying and neuturing.. now since i have divide out the cage i might have intention to do that but i have a lot of questions on this issue... will discuss this in ur new thread!
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Post by puppy on Apr 25, 2003 0:03:14 GMT -5
puroland > me cant wait for my last paper today to end soon... aiyo... still have to wait till 9pm, exam then finish... will start a thread about that when i get home tonight...
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Post by puroland on Apr 27, 2003 5:35:52 GMT -5
can't wait to see ur new thread cos i am seriously thinking into this issue and i have a lot of question on this... hehehe hey ppl... just some updates... check out photos.yahoo.com/bc/puroland/lst?.dir=/Babies+Bunnies&.src=ph&.view=I have updated some picts of the babies and wonderful moments of mother feeding babies! One of the baby has very nice black coat... dun know if it will turn out to be black a not but i have decided to call him/her velvet! There is another one which look exactly like mickey! the father... i have found a situable name yet, but will defintely name after mickey!
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